Re: [flasah] Mauls a BAD DESIGN for stamping
GB
Like I said show use some of this great leather work you claim to do
instead of making cracks like that at a list member that just stated his
opinion. Which is all you ever do is state your opinion with no photo's
to back anything up.
So are you ready to put up or shut up? As the "70" burger joint add
said "Where's the Beef"!!
GB wrote:
>
> Bill,
> It is so nice you shared your FEELINGS...
> which, by they way, is OFF TOPIC...
>
> I notice you had NOTHING to say with regards to the PHYSICS or the
> ERGONOMICS which I described...
>
> Only that you learned it one way and you are not going to look at any
> other facts...
>
> Which is your right.... but I feel sorry for you not understanding
> that sharing that information does not make you look either adult or
> smart.
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/5/09, Bill Parrie /<bparrie@bellsouth
>
>
> From: Bill Parrie <bparrie@bellsouth. net>
> Subject: Re: [flasah] Mauls a BAD DESIGN for stamping
> To: flasah@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 7:30 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Jerome
> I have no idea what this guys -problem is. I am sick and tired of
> all his, sacastic comments. I wish he would find a hole someplace
> and bury his self. I donot care to ever hear from him again. I
> switched to a maul, several years ago, and have never looked
> back. I will continue to use it until something better comes
> along. George Hurst, was the one that introduced me to the maul,
> and I cannot thank him enought.. George has forgotten more about
> leather work then this clown as ever seen.
> Regards,
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jerome </mc/compose?
> *To:* flasah@yahoogroups. com
> </mc/compose?
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [flasah] Mauls a BAD DESIGN for stamping
>
>
>
> GB
>
> Yes it is gravity that does all of the work when using a maul,
> just as
> it is with a striking stick. Less work, less wear and tear on the
> wrist. and the impact can be varied by how far from the hinge
> point the
> impact is made. And if you fully case the leather like you say
> you do
> it does not take much of an impact to do the work.
>
> You talk a lot out high tech speak, but have never been able
> to back any
> of it up with any results. So why don't you show us some of this
> leather carving you are doing with this maul of your's? Or any
> mallet,
> strike stick, or anything else as far as that goes. I have
> seen you
> claim to be Gods Gift to Leathercraft for some time now, but
> have never
> seen any examples of your work.
>
> And don't even try to use your Daddies past work as an example
> because I
> really don't want to let the whole list know what I think of the
> examples that are in print and how popular they are.
>
> GB wrote:
> >
> > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from GB included below]
> >
> > Jerome,
> > Why did you only address one aspect of my critique of the
> maul designs
> > in question?
> >
> > Tell me why you would use a striking instrument which is ,
> like Windy
> > said, basically trying to hit your stamps with a pipe ?
> >
> > Now to your description of how a striking instrument is
> supposed to be
> > used...hanging off the end of your arm supported in only one
> direction
> > by your wrist.... just wrong.
> >
> > A prescription for tunnel carpal syndrome if ever I saw one.
> That
> > also means that all the VIBRATION of the hits... which I was
> saving
> > for my annotated presentation on striking instruments to
> cover... goes
> > right to the wrist .
> >
> > But for those who want to think about it in the meantime ...
> you need
> > to have something to counter balance the weight doing the
> work.... a
> > place for the vibration to go to be dissipated into the
> air.... not
> > into your elbow or shoulder. This also changes the hold and
> the motion
> > associated with the stamping so as to avoid the ' hammer'
> hold using a
> > side motion of the wrist.
> >
> > I am attaching a couple of pictures from the Kelly Tool company
> > instruction booklet (about 1978 ) which has a pretty good
> picture of
> > how your wrist action should be to minimize effort and
> injury over
> > the long haul. Several other people have had and shown
> rectangular
> > stamping sticks over the years in places like ' The Leather
> Craftsman'
> > magazine .... but Tandy never offered a flat bottomed square
> handled
> > mallet ..... so there was not much way for it to catch on no
> matter
> > how many benefits it has.
> >
> > I believe the Kelly Tool company became the Midas Tool
> Company which
> > is what The Leather Factory used to compete with Craftool
> until they
> > bought Tandy and Craftool about 2000.
> >
> > Also , Jerome, you sounded like you were using your maul
> just as a
> > gravity determined impact tool... which would mean you would
> have to
> > change the height from which you dropped it as the only way
> to vary
> > the impact... not only would that be silly.. but VERY
> SLOW... when
> > using a proper striking stick you can work much faster than
> gravity
> > will allow you...
> >
> > Ok, Windy, here is the type of motion for proper leather
> stamping.. (
> > in the attachments) it allows your entire arm to be held two
> inches
> > lower than with a common hammer type mallet, puts the actual
> hitting
> > surface plane extension on your finger tips , has the
> ability to have
> > weights installed to customize to the crafter's needs, AND
> has a wide
> > and long sweet spot. and has the ability to dampen the constant
> > pounding into the air with the other end out in the air...
> as compared
> > to the vibration traveling right through your wrist and up
> your arm.
> >
> > It is all physics and ergonomics.. .
> >
> > Gregory B. Moody
> > Daddysrulesleatherc raft at Yahoo Groups
> > DRules999 at Youtube soon.
> >
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 9/5/09, Jerome /<grayhawk@grayhawk
> </mc/compose?
> >
> >
> > From: Jerome <grayhawk@grayhawkl
> </mc/compose?
> > Subject: Re: [flasah] Mauls a BAD DESIGN for stamping
> > To: flasah@yahoogroups. com
> </mc/compose?
> > Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:23 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to tell you that if you are using the maul the way it was
> > meant to
> > be use there will be no movement of the elbow.
> >
> > When using a maul you lift the maul with a twist of the
> wrist and
> > let it
> > fall. The weight of the maul falling does the work instead of
> > trying to
> > drive the mallet though the tool like driving a nail.
> >
> > The benefit is less physical effort for the same amount of work.
> >
> > GB wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mauls are a bad design in terms of having control over
> hitting your
> > > stamping tools. They have an incredibly narrow sweet spot.
> A design
> > > aspect for which there is no corresponding offset in advantage
> > EXCEPT
> > > that it can be made on a lathe.
> > >
> > > A sweet spot is the area on a striking instrument where a
> slight
> > > misapplication of the hit does not affect the outcome
> enough to
> > matter.
> > >
> > > The last two persons who took beautiful wood and their
> wood lathe
> > > changed the design ( made the striking surface on a
> tangent from
> > the
> > > longitudinal axis ) of the mauls to make them even worse than
> > the ones
> > > in the Tandy catalog for use on leather stamping tools.
> > >
> > > They have made mauls which require the entire arm from the
> shoulder
> > > down to move in order to produce a strike 90 degrees from
> the long
> > > axis of the stamping tool...( and that is in addition to the
> > long and
> > > NARROW sweet spot.
> > >
> > > This is the type of head design used by wood workers ( except
> > many are
> > > smart enough to use a square head ) and stone masons... where
> > harder
> > > blows and the use of the entire arm is appropriate AND needed.
> > >
> > > This is not what you want in a stamping stick...
> > >
> > > I have been gathering examples and composing a larger
> answer to
> > this
> > > situation for a while now... since that first maul a couple of
> > months
> > > ago... it was beautiful wood and craftsmanship. .. but
> just not
> > what a
> > > leatherworker needs for stamping leather.
> > >
> > > This same discussion has a larger sports example... the
> difference
> > > between Baseball and Cricket.... the first is EXCITING because
> > you are
> > > using a round ball and a round bat...
> > > the second uses a round ball and a flat bat...
> > >
> > > But you DO NOT WANT exciting when you are striking your
> stamping
> > > tools... you want control and ease of use with regards to the
> > > ergonomics .... this means that you should only have to
> use your
> > wrist
> > > ....not your entire arm as with this maul design to get a
> square
> > > hit... and not even your entire forearm as with the
> traditional
> > > mallet...
> > >
> > > Most of you know I do not complain about things which I
> can not
> > offer
> > > a better answer for... and this is another example of
> that..but
> > I am
> > > sorry I did not speak up when this first came up...and I
> have sent
> > > emails to some who I know got these designs apologizing
> for not
> > > addressing it as soon as I should have.
> > >
> > > My father used the same stamping stick for about 50 years....
> > until it
> > > just fell apart and I made him a new one.. also out of
> Oak... he
> > had
> > > made the first one from some tool handle... with lead
> weight in the
> > > end....
> > >
> > > I wrote about it about 1991 in the Leather Craftsman Journal
> > with the
> > > two Cardinals on the front.... I don't know which issue....
> > >
> > > It is ALL about sweet spot and being kind to your body.
> You may
> > > make millions of taps on your stamping tools over a
> lifetime and
> > > anything you can to do ease the strain of the repetitive
> motion
> > should
> > > be considered before the damage is done...
> > >
> > > Or the other side is having regular 'exciting' stamping
> experiences
> > > but with mishits showing up on your work....
> > >
> > > Golf club designers spend millions of dollars trying to
> widen the
> > > sweet spot on their clubs..
> > > How do they do that ? By placing weights as close to the
> > backside of
> > > the striking head AND spread out as far as possible on the
> club.
> > >
> > > This is the same principle incorporated in my father's
> stamping
> > stick
> > > design... and I will gather up the pictures of these
> various things
> > > and post them.
> > >
> > > One interesting fact that some of you may have picked up on...
> > is the
> > > answer Polar Bear gave to someone in sorta discussing his
> > mauls... he
> > > said something like ' an acquired taste'..... so I know he
> also
> > knows
> > > there was a basic problem extant.
> > > Everyone who has a chance to try a maul of any design free
> > should do
> > > that.. just as with the Rubyat blades... which I will
> address as
> > soon
> > > as I get the time and the irrational bashing has slowed down.
> > >
> > > But this weekend I am pruning pine trees.
> > >
> > > Gregory B. Moody
> > > Daddysrulesleatherc raft at Yahoo Groups
> > > DRules999 on youtube soon...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/09, jacksons002 /<jacksons002@ hawaii.rr. com
> > </mc/compose? to=jacksons002% 40hawaii. rr.com>>/ * wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: jacksons002 <jacksons002@ hawaii.rr. com
> > </mc/compose? to=jacksons002% 40hawaii. rr.com>>
> > > Subject: [flasah] Al Stohlman Mauls as carried by Tandy
> > > To: flasah@yahoogroups. com
> > </mc/compose? to=flasah% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 9:02 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All . . .
> > >
> > > There has been much written about MAULS. I don't remember
> reading
> > > whether or not the Al Stohlman mauls were recommended by
> any of
> > > our members. What say you?
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Jerome Warburton
> > aka Grayhawk
> >
> > http://www.grayhawk leather.com <http://www.grayhawk
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> >
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> --
> Jerome Warburton
> aka Grayhawk
>
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